paul ryan, for the most part, maintaining his cool, not interrupting joe biden. but joe biden, sort of what we saw mitt romney do the first time around, always getting the last word, making sure that no point went unsubpoenad to, paul ryan looking maybe more respectful, but perhaps in the minds of some, perhaps more weak. we would -- we will find out. steve hayes and joe trippi. on the set, we were discussing whether -- joe biden was having an al gore moment. did he go too far with the smirking, such that the substance will be undermined? >> i think he had a very strong debate. but was diminished, i thought was diminished by the smirking and he overdid t. i think, look, he surprised me on how aggressive and defensive on the economy, bringing up the 47%. i was very surprised, though, about how strong ryan was on foreign policy. it's going to be interesting how this plays out because i think... i think women were up for grabs here. i think that biden really scored points that the last thing we need is another ground war in the middle-east. there were different issu